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OHmom1

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Posted by OHmom1 on Mar 19, 2009 at 02:10 PM

     

UPDATE April 24: The judge has determined he needs more time to review both sides of the appeal, and has postponed the hearing, scheduled for today. Here.

 

Here are a couple updates, as of April 22, to keep this thread current.

In addition to the seven jurors who have been subpoenaed, the judge has subpoenaed 4 TV stations' video interviews with jurors. Story here.

Also, the freeryanwidmer group is seeking a new venue for their Thursday vigil.  Here.

 

UPDATE 2:15 p.m. April 15: Judge scheduled hearing for April 24 to determine if  Ryan Widmer, convicted by a jury in the bathtub drowning of his wife, should get a new trial or should be acquitted. Story here. Discussion begins around page 115.

 

UPDATE: 1:50 p.m. Friday, April 10: A Widmer juror is alleging jury misconduct. See story here. Discussion begins around page 107

 

LATEST UPDATE 3 a.m. April 10: Ryan's mom gives exclusive interview to Enquirer, here. New discussions start on page 106.

 

Widmer will appeal his conviction. Story here.

 

Ryan Widmer has begun serving his sentence at the Ohio's Correctional Reception Center near Columbus. He is eligible for parole in 2024. 

Discussion of appeal begins on page 101.

 

UPDATE as of 6 p.m. Friday April 3: The Enquirer just posted this story about some evidence from a computer forensics specialist that was barred from Widmer's trial. What do you think? Prosecution theory is that Widmer's wife discovered he was visiting a Web site where people arrange anonymous sex, they argued and he killed her. (Discussion begins around page 95.)

 

NOTE: This is an ongoing discussion about the Widmer trial. The first pages are people's reactions as the case unfolded, and may sound not-so-relevant now that new information has come out. TIP: click on "Last" to go straight to the last page, and read backwards from there.

 

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Lucy4242

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 on Apr 06, 2009 at 01:58 PM

  

  

GrooviGirl, apparently the chances of the state hearing an appeal for him are really low. His team would have to prove there were procedures violated by the jury and prosecution which is really rare.



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OHmom1

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 on Apr 06, 2009 at 02:09 PM

  

  

Only thing I have seen as a possibility for appeal (it might even have been here--I can't remember) is if the jury created evidence that was not introduced in the trial by bringing the tub in and trying to reinact the events.

 

I don't know whether that is enough. It doesn't seem to be. I think I would have hung the jury, but I wasn't there. There seemed more than enough reasonable doubt to me.



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DPBizzyBee

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 on Apr 06, 2009 at 02:11 PM

  

  

I think some of the jurors caved under pressure. As long as they can live with it, so can I.

  

GrooviGirl

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 on Apr 06, 2009 at 02:17 PM

  

  

Wow, Lucy. I  was just reading about the appeal process and you are correct. It looks (to me only and opinion only) that the only way he could appeal is by getting a new lawyer and showing his defense was insufficient.

 



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mommyville

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 on Apr 06, 2009 at 02:21 PM

  

  

An appeal for this case would be filed in the 12th District Court of Appeals located in Middletown.  The party filing the appeal, the appellant, would file its Motion for Appeal and there's a lot of paperwork to be sent with it, including a transcript of the trial which is obtained from the court reporter.  A briefing schedule would be given to the appellant and appellee.  The judges (usually three of them on the appeal) will read through everything and render a decision based on the arguments of the briefs and the trial transcript.  If a request for oral argument is filed and granted, each side has 15 minutes to state their case.

  

mommyville

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 on Apr 06, 2009 at 02:23 PM

  

  

You can read about the appeal process here:

 

http://www.twelfth.courts.state.oh.us/default.asp?page=rules

  

JenChris

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 on Apr 06, 2009 at 02:24 PM

  

  


originally posted by mama211

I would say that the  with the exception of the one or 2 folks on here that actually knew this couple, the jury has more knowledge on the FACTS presented than we do. Its easy for us to sit on the sidelines and judge.  For anyone of us to declare we know for sure he was innocent or guilty just doesn't even matter.



Whoa mama211 - are you saying the jury had FACTS and they found him guilty?   Who would have thunk it?  

 

Those sitting on the sidelines without even seeing crime scene photos, hearing the full testimony, not knowing Ryan Widmer's background and still  feeling he is innocent and condemning the jury and the prosecution are really sad,  

 

No one was out to get Ryan Widmer.  Warren County is not filled with a bunch of stupid yahoos who prosecuted the case or sat on the jury and misinterpreted facts of the case. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

  

JenChris

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 on Apr 06, 2009 at 02:29 PM

  

  


originally posted by GrooviGirl

Wow, Lucy. I  was just reading about the appeal process and you are correct. It looks (to me only and opinion only) that the only way he could appeal is by getting a new lawyer and showing his defense was insufficient.

 


 



That's a thought.  I don't think his defense was sufficient but what is a sufficient defense in this case - especially if his lawyers might have suspected he was guilty from the 911 tape and physical evidence at the crime scene. 

 

 

  

JenChris

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 on Apr 06, 2009 at 02:34 PM

  

  

 

 


originally posted by DPBizzyBee

I think some of the jurors caved under pressure. As long as they can live with it, so can I.



Do you really believe some people are so weak they would be willing to send a young man to prison for murder because of pressure?   I can't imagine that happening.  What sort of pressure would force you to go along with something you did not believe? 

 

If you read the interview by the juror who is talking no juror felt good about a guilty verdict but they all felt he was guilty after weighing the evidence.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

  

Chevrette

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 on Apr 06, 2009 at 03:20 PM

  

  

He SO TOTALLY did it. 




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